Comments on: Experiments with publishing application activity http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:01:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Wakoopa blog » Blog Archive » Get your JS-ON http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-552 Wakoopa blog » Blog Archive » Get your JS-ON Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:35:22 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-552 <p>[...] For example, Olivier Duprez publishes his data on his Life 2 Front project and recently Sameer Huja experimented with connecting the Google Chart API to our XML to make some nice custom [...]</p> […] For example, Olivier Duprez publishes his data on his Life 2 Front project and recently Sameer Huja experimented with connecting the Google Chart API to our XML to make some nice custom […]

]]> By: sameer http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-551 sameer Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:25:31 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-551 <p>Google search sort-of does that if you have web history enabled. It tells you how many times you've visited the page and when was the last time, right there in the search results.</p> Google search sort-of does that if you have web history enabled. It tells you how many times you’ve visited the page and when was the last time, right there in the search results.

]]> By: Ankit http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-550 Ankit Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:39:55 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-550 <p>Nice post. However, I was getting lost in the comments when i suddenly came across the parts where you talk of searching as in traversing a tree. Now I had data structures last semester, so that sort of kept me going to the end of it:) I believe annotation is not of much use, since if we are anyways going to remember that we will need it often, we would bookmark it anyways. I like to think of a firefox extension that would display in the search page itself the no. of times ( if ever ) you have visited a particular link. And based on that, somehow highlight the ones one has visited more often :)</p> Nice post. However, I was getting lost in the comments when i suddenly came across the parts where you talk of searching as in traversing a tree. Now I had data structures last semester, so that sort of kept me going to the end of it:) I believe annotation is not of much use, since if we are anyways going to remember that we will need it often, we would bookmark it anyways. I like to think of a firefox extension that would display in the search page itself the no. of times ( if ever ) you have visited a particular link. And based on that, somehow highlight the ones one has visited more often :)

]]> By: AJ http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-549 AJ Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:54:39 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-549 <p>That is ingenious and tiring.</p> That is ingenious and tiring.

]]> By: sameer http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-548 sameer Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:47:42 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-548 <p>That's the interesting bit, so generally these search paths go like a tree originating from the search page going into, let's say, some 3-4 levels deep across 3-4 different paths. The first question is can you find the leaf nodes, which I think you can on the client based on referral information. So you keep building the tree till the new page loaded has any of the current pages in the tree as its referrer. </p> <p>You'd probably want such a system to prefer deeper nodes (Just because they might have a higher probability of being 'the node' that the user found his information at. It could also be optimized to give lower rankings to pages you frequently visit, just to get rid of the noise. </p> <p>The other way, that you mention, is to ask the user to manually "star" the page or annotate a part of it to show the information he was looking for. It works great if the user knows that he'll need the page again, and if he remembers to do the annotation, both hard things for lazy people like me to do.</p> <p>I think that a hybrid approach would be the ideal solution, wherein you have this underlying system that would do its tracking behind the scenes, and have a 'pseudo' ranker, such that if you bookmark a page while navigating, its rankings shoot up for that and related 'search paths'.</p> That’s the interesting bit, so generally these search paths go like a tree originating from the search page going into, let’s say, some 3-4 levels deep across 3-4 different paths. The first question is can you find the leaf nodes, which I think you can on the client based on referral information. So you keep building the tree till the new page loaded has any of the current pages in the tree as its referrer.

You’d probably want such a system to prefer deeper nodes (Just because they might have a higher probability of being ‘the node’ that the user found his information at. It could also be optimized to give lower rankings to pages you frequently visit, just to get rid of the noise.

The other way, that you mention, is to ask the user to manually “star” the page or annotate a part of it to show the information he was looking for. It works great if the user knows that he’ll need the page again, and if he remembers to do the annotation, both hard things for lazy people like me to do.

I think that a hybrid approach would be the ideal solution, wherein you have this underlying system that would do its tracking behind the scenes, and have a ‘pseudo’ ranker, such that if you bookmark a page while navigating, its rankings shoot up for that and related ’search paths’.

]]> By: AJ http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-547 AJ Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:25:56 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-547 <p>:) Yes, they do use such a thing. </p> <p>Wow, you have quite a good thought on that building the recommendation engine. I remember that you had mentioned this long time back (I believe in Bangalore). My question is that would the users have to manually register the "final URL" that they think is worth it? </p> <p>Because I personally search something and visit at least 3-4 links on the results page unless I know before hand that my search will return the most desired link at the most desired place.</p> <p>P.S. - Example of "Hard Boiled Recipe" was awesome. :)</p> :) Yes, they do use such a thing.

Wow, you have quite a good thought on that building the recommendation engine. I remember that you had mentioned this long time back (I believe in Bangalore). My question is that would the users have to manually register the “final URL” that they think is worth it?

Because I personally search something and visit at least 3-4 links on the results page unless I know before hand that my search will return the most desired link at the most desired place.

P.S. - Example of “Hard Boiled Recipe” was awesome. :)

]]> By: sameer http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-546 sameer Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:16:31 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-546 <p>Heheh, what makes you think that the corporates don't already do that? </p> <p>Well, Wakoopa provides the user analytics on their website dashboard, so one could view personal stats there. I am interested in building a firefox extension to track web browsing, but that's for a different reason: Building a recommendations engine over it. I had planned to use <a href="http://attentiontrust.org/toolkit" rel="nofollow">AttensionTrust's toolkit</a> to build a basic recommender engine (Eg, a search for "hard boiled eggs recipe" could pop a 'recommendation' in the browser saying something like "You searched for these terms a month back, and this is the site you ended up visiting: URL", but both my courses are taking 50% of life, assuming that as a graduate student, I have any :)</p> Heheh, what makes you think that the corporates don’t already do that?

Well, Wakoopa provides the user analytics on their website dashboard, so one could view personal stats there. I am interested in building a firefox extension to track web browsing, but that’s for a different reason: Building a recommendations engine over it. I had planned to use AttensionTrust’s toolkit to build a basic recommender engine (Eg, a search for “hard boiled eggs recipe” could pop a ‘recommendation’ in the browser saying something like “You searched for these terms a month back, and this is the site you ended up visiting: URL”, but both my courses are taking 50% of life, assuming that as a graduate student, I have any :)

]]> By: AJ http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-545 AJ Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:01:41 +0000 http://sameerahuja.com/2008/02/experiments-with-publishing-application-activity/#comment-545 <p>Cool! </p> <p>I was wondering if we can view a whole bunch of such graphs using Wakoopa or ResuceTime so as to create a high-level corporate research analysis tool (say, of company resources).</p> <p>Can we have a small application or may be an FF extension to support this?</p> <p>It was nice to see a new post again. Looking forward to read more such interesting stuff. Subscribed already. :)</p> Cool!

I was wondering if we can view a whole bunch of such graphs using Wakoopa or ResuceTime so as to create a high-level corporate research analysis tool (say, of company resources).

Can we have a small application or may be an FF extension to support this?

It was nice to see a new post again. Looking forward to read more such interesting stuff. Subscribed already. :)

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